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Post by alexismaxwell on Oct 19, 2015 18:15:43 GMT
Hey guys! First off, congratulations on making it to the Final Two! That's not an easy thing to do, unless you're, say, virtually non-existent within the game.  I don't really know what else to write here in my opening, 'cause I think it's fairly obvious which way I'm leaning, but I suppose I could say a thing or two or three about each of you. Malcolm: Very happy to see you in the Final Two, man! This is going to be my first ORG where the winner objectively deserved it. Major kudos to you. I'm really glad that we got to play together this season, and even though I was planning on cutting you the round after I was sent to Ponderosa, I don't think that takes anything away from your game, because ultimately, I failed in making you look like the bigger threat. These people were sooo DUMB, and you took advantage of that better than I did. We're so similar, it's spooky. I won my first official ORG in a unanimous vote, and now you're probably going to do the same.  Danielle: To be honest, I don't know what to write here. I think we spoke . . . three times over the course of this game? Four? That's just a horrendous social game on your part. Malcolm definitely has you beat there. Strategically? Malcolm was nearly on par with me. Another strike against you. Physically? Malcolm even has you beat there. Three strikes, you're out. But you know this, don't you? You were pretty much always playing for second place, and I don't respect players like that at all. Play for first, or go home. I'm not a tunnel-visioned idiot, though, and so there's always a chance, however slight, that my vote could be swayed.
Questions:
Malc:
When did you plan on flipping on me?
The Final Two is now you and I -- whose vote goes where?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Danielle:
Why were you so inactive?
Why take Penner out second when he could have been a fantastic merge target later on?
Why were you so blindly loyal to Erik and Sean?
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Post by rector on Oct 19, 2015 21:52:23 GMT
This is going to be my first ORG where the winner objectively deserved it.
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Post by alexismaxwell on Oct 19, 2015 22:04:58 GMT
This is going to be my first ORG where the winner objectively deserved it.
kek Kek |
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Post by Erik R. on Oct 19, 2015 22:33:47 GMT
This is going to be my first ORG where the winner objectively deserved it.
kek sean dont post in other jurors threads thats illegal |
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Post by Host Kenny on Oct 20, 2015 1:09:47 GMT
sean dont post in other jurors threads thats illegal Erik I swear to fucking god dont post in others chats |
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Post by danielle on Oct 20, 2015 8:07:44 GMT
Danielle: To be honest, I don't know what to write here. I think we spoke . . . three times over the course of this game? Four? That's just a horrendous social game on your part. Malcolm definitely has you beat there. Strategically? Malcolm was nearly on par with me. Another strike against you. Physically? Malcolm even has you beat there. Three strikes, you're out. But you know this, don't you? You were pretty much always playing for second place, and I don't respect players like that at all. Play for first, or go home. I'm not a tunnel-visioned idiot, though, and so there's always a chance, however slight, that my vote could be swayed. Cool story, brah. I especially liked the part where you said you've never seen a deserving winner in an ORG, and then mentioned that you've won before. Check this out: Malcolm took ME to the finals, the easy route, even though he was guaranteed to win regardless of who he took. Make no mistake, I had choices. I could have screwed him over a few times (you really think it's a coincidence that it was always you who got targeted and never him?) and never did it. If I was single-mindedly playing for first, your boy Malcolm wouldn't be here. I would have toasted him a long time ago, and forced the jury to choose between the lesser of two evils, like literally everybody else in your entire ORG experience has. I used my strategic skills to help someone else, but since I wasn't deliberately screwing strong people over in a futile bid to get a win I wasn't ever gonna get, I guess that doesn't put me "on par" with you. Ever wonder why you don't get deserving winners? Because bitches be selfish, and on the rare occasions when one isn't, you tell them they aren't worthy of your respect. If your approval can only be earned by screwing the deserving, I don't want it.  Boom. Sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Not necessarily in that order. Drugs. I have a bacterial infection. If you want to know what that's like, drink an entire six-pack of Diet Coke, eat a roll of Mentos, and then go jump on a trampoline for an hour. Then do that shit every single day for a year while doctors keep taking your blood and running various tests that all come back negative, so they have no idea why it keeps happening. Sound like fun? Sometimes I missed socializing because I was getting my digestive system X-rayed, and you do that by basically doing the Diet Coke and Mentos trick with some gas crystals that make you feel like you're going to explode, then drinking a glass full of chalk and rolling around on your swollen stomach to coat it with the chalk so they can accurately X-ray it. Believe me, after a day doing that, you do not feel like "So how was your day? Are you excited for the merge?" for a few hours. Rock and Roll. I work at a casino entertainment complex on a reserve. My manager is a literal pointy-haired boss straight out of the Dilbert comics. He banned cell phone use and has a hate on for me personally because I'm smarter than him and I'm the only white person who works there. The only upshot to my stomach infection is that it gives me an excuse to pretend I'm going to the bathroom and then get on my phone for fifteen or twenty minutes at a stretch, which is the only way I could get on AIM during the day to find out about votes and stuff. They can't prove that I'm on my phone in there, but they suspect it, and they're actively trying to ban me from doing that too. Meanwhile my other coworkers, many of whom are related to the boss, will literally sit there on their phones for hours at a stretch, and incur no penalties of any kind. They also illegally fired the only other guy within 15 years of my age, which meant I had to work six-day weeks (without getting overtime pay) for almost the entire first half of the game. A lot of days I got home and just passed out from exhaustion and sickness, and my one day off was the time to go for medical tests and run all of the errands that I couldn't do on work days, so those 15-20 minutes were all I got a lot of the time. Sex. On top of all that, I'm lucky enough to be in a relationship. My significant other, shockingly, likes me to spend time with them. That involves dates, and romance, and quality time. Time that I'm not spending on the computer. So if I have to choose between time with my bae and time with y'all? Bae wins. Forever and always. Smoking hot redhead or manipulative ORG players? You're a guy - if you could choose between nailing Karen Gillan (if you're gay... I dunno, Ed Sheeran? One of the Weasley twins?) or playing Blokus with JFP and Malcolm, which would you pick? It shouldn't even be a question. You can say whatever you want about that, but this game won't be here in another month, much less fifty years. My significant other will. I could ask you that question about the people you took out. Why take Fat Mike out eleventh when he could have been a fantastic final six target later on? Why take Dave out tenth when he could have been a fantastic five target later on? Because Survivor is a very unpredictable game, that's why. Penner openly talked shit about me, and that made him bad for business. I wanted him gone immediately, because having someone spreading crap about you to other players is almost always a bad scenario. I don't give a crap about the merge if Penner's gonna do his darnedest to make sure I don't even get there. Plus, he was a wildcard who didn't think before he spoke, and proclaimed himself the leader. The guy had jury goat written all over him - you really think he couldn't have been dragged to the finals like LJ and I were? So, in short, I wanted him out second because I understood that it would have been more difficult later, and it's not like I was hurtin' for fantastic merge targets to go home instead of me anyway. Because Erik and Sean understood that offline IMs are a thing. Seriously, that's the main reason. They were the only ones who saw that I was having social difficulties and didn't go, "OH WELL DANIELLE IS A LOST CAUSE!" and give me up completely. They'd send me offlines or PMs so that I always knew where their heads were at and could contribute to what was going on. And, hey, maybe my AIM glitched and other people tried that? All I know is, theirs are the only IM messages I got. You and Malcolm barely bothered to tell me how you were voting half the time, otherwise I'd have been in with you guys. Well, I still would have ultimately come after you because of reasons, but I would have been a lot less aggressive about it. Thanks for the questions. |
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 20, 2015 11:31:37 GMT
Alex, you rock. Having you as a partner in crime and fighting from the bottom to the top of the food chain with you was a blast. I'm really happy that you avoided that pre-jury boot and made it as far as you did. Loved playing with ya and I wanted to thank you for being a huge part of this experience for me. 8===D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I want to hear more about these plans.  How would have a you/Fairplay/Lj/Danielle Final 4 benefited your game? (The tables are turned with the question asking!) 8===D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Final 4. There was no good reason for me to do that to you before then. lol I did make a deal with Fairplay immediately after Steph got voted out to take you out at final 5; however, taking out LJ there seemed more optimal so that's what I was actually going to try and push for with you and Danielle's help. A final 4 without you, meant it would just end up being me vs Fairplay which would have been pretty sketchy while one with you, me, Fairplay, and Danielle would have put me into a pretty damn good position to work the different angles of surviving based on who won immunity. I was predicting that was when you were going to go against me, and I knew that if I didn't act and really reel in Fairplay one last time to solidify a plan, you could have beat me to the punch and sent me packing instead. 8===D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike - Alexis - 'Cause that way you would let him bone you with his tusks obv. (Aka: I'm not entirely sure) Dave - Alexis - Perceived me as playing for 2nd place against you, I can't imagine that would change especially if we actually made F2 together. Lindsey - Alexis - She felt you played a great game and managed to do it without the personal infliction my game had on her. Steph - Malcolm - She said she valued the social game the most and I had a more far-reaching / better overall social game in regards to the connections I've made and utilized. Erik - Alexis - It just sounded like you guys worked out more stuff together on a strategic level then I did. For a while he wanted me out first instead of you and that was probably because he felt more comfortable making arrangements with you. LJ - Malcolm - He never felt a connection to you while we on the other hand bonded throughout the game. I think he would also appreciate my positive attitude towards the game. Sean - Alexis - I would have had to prevent you from waltzing onto F2 to get his vote and respect for my game. Fairplay - Alexis - You were seen a vibrant threat while I was a more low-key one. I think he would have given it to the person who stood out the most. Danielle - Malcolm - I can see her voting against you based on whatever problem you guys had in a past game. I think it is very likely you would have pulled off the win. Not a landslide, but you being in the finale against wouldn't make me look all that good. I would at least had some good arguments such as establishing that I did help save you on multiple occasions: 1. All that Backstreets Boys fun. 2. Passing my second idol to you. 3. Convincing Lj to switch his vote at F7: Or how I kept up a positive attitude throughout the game while you did became impatient and arguably disrespectful towards the player-base at times. That would have been a valid reason not to vote for you. I'm not sure it would have been enough, but taking everything into perspective, it sure would have been one hell of a fight. Tis a shame neither of us were ever going to let this scenario happen. 8===D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vous plaisantez-moi. J'ai été davantage encore plus décidé d'utiliser même aller doivent faire examiner de plus que n'importe qui peut le faire. Pouvez-vous vraiment être loin même comme convenu la moitié autant d'utilisation vont souhaiter que? 8===D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Post by Penner on Oct 20, 2015 12:21:53 GMT
Not gonna say anything now, but I'd love to clear the air about everything when the games over, Danielle. Y'know, get my side out and clear any animosity still out there, of course if you'd be willing.
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Post by danielle on Oct 20, 2015 14:38:33 GMT
Sure. I'm not gonna harbor any bad feelings about the game, and is be happy to discuss it.
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Post by alexismaxwell on Oct 20, 2015 17:39:50 GMT
danielle
I wouldn't classify myself as an objectively deserving winner under the circumstances during that ORG, but good try.
All I saw in your answer was "I have a life! And I'm sick!". If you knew you weren't going to have a lot of time to commit to this game, you shouldn't have applied, simple as that. Even without being sick, it sounds like you'd have been inactive as fuck. I appreciate the answer to my question, but the way you wrote it it showed that you chose to be an inactive. That's just a waste of a spot, really.
And once again, I can't respect people who play for second place. People don't play for second place on the show (not including All-Stars seasons), and so you doing it here kind of kills the experience for those who want to truly experience a Survivor simulation. Am I glad Malcolm is going to clean up? Sure. But nothing you've done is worthy of praise, nor honorable.
You mention offline messages. Those are great for if someone already trusts you. Good luck trying to pitch a strategic argument to a brick wall, though. 
My post had obviously upset you. That's too bad. I sure hope this one doesn't upset you further.
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Post by alexismaxwell on Oct 20, 2015 18:11:51 GMT
"I want to hear more about these plans. How would have a you/Fairplay/Lj/Danielle Final 4 benefited your game?"
"Or how I kept up a positive attitude throughout the game while you did became impatient and arguably disrespectful towards the player-base at times. That would have been a valid reason not to vote for you."
Two birds with one stone. I knew I couldn't go to the end with you, 'cause A) You had the connections with those I wanted out, ie Danielle, LJ, etc, and B) I was never going to make the end with you there as my obvious alliance. Before then, earlier on, I wanted you with me right before FTC, 'cause my plan was to take you out as the bigger jury threat, hence the abrasiveness and negativity you saw from me towards everyone. That was strategy to make it look like I'd lose a vote or two, whereas you were naturally the nice one, and would have the votes I didn't. I started taking the heat for our betrayals anyway, though, so that went out of the window and it instead became all about making myself the ideal person to be cut before FTC. As we got closer to the end, though, my drive just sort of went away. You'll see it in my confessionals once we have the reunion. This season was actually tough on me, both inside and outside of the game. Didn't 'cause me to go inactive, though, unlike some people. When I got on the jury, though, my strategy had worked, 'cause even through the abrasiveness, a good chunk of the jurors still wanted to vote for me.
My fault in these thing is wanting to take the good players as far as possible, though, and so I might not have even flipped on you, in the end. I'd even explored the possibility of cutting you the round I went, especially after you gave away immunity, but I simply couldn't trust Sean enough after he didn't vote for Erik. I figured that I'd just relax, and if I went, at least you'd have a much better chance at winning. Turns out I was right, and so kudos to you, sir, for that! 
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Post by alexismaxwell on Oct 20, 2015 20:00:28 GMT
danielle
Actually, I have a really pressing further question for you, Danielle. I think it may indeed put everything into perspective for me.
You've mentioned in a few of these posts already that you have had "beef with me this whole game". Why's that? In the beginning, I was even considering flipping on Penner to keep you here, because at that point, I trusted you a lot more than him, and I thought we connected a bit. I've been confused up until now, 'cause you've said that you knew you were playing for second place, and that you wanted a good player to win, hence allowing Malcolm and Fairplay to survive the last couple of rounds. But then you voted me out at 6. Assuming this is due to said beef . . . where's the beef? Because I honestly never had any negative feelings towards you within the game, even after you voted for me. I'm legitimately dumbfounded as to why you would have had any beef with me.
And for clarification purposes, the only reason I've been so hard on you here is because Kenny asked me to be harsh, and it's pretty much the juror's responsibility to be an inquisitive asshole. Yours is to cut through all of that and sway my vote. I've appreciated your answers in other threads, and I respect how hard you're fighting, even though your answer to me was full of subtle shade.
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Post by danielle on Oct 20, 2015 21:32:17 GMT
I'll respond to the other post later, but I want to clarify that my issue with you had literally nothing to do with our relationship, our interactions, your personality, or anything else. I did really enjoy our interactions, sparing though they were, and I think you'd have made a fine winner. It may seem like a cop out, but under the rules of the game, I actually CAN'T tell you what my issue was. Soon as results are in and Malcolm gets his crown, I'll happily tell you.
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I don't really know what else to write here in my opening, 'cause I think it's fairly obvious which way I'm leaning, but I suppose I could say a thing or two or three about each of you.
How would have a you/Fairplay/Lj/Danielle Final 4 benefited your game? 
